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gelygeleman 26-09-2010 05:55 PM

Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) - aplikasinya
 
TIPS & STRATEGI UTAMA PELABURAN AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)

1)SET YOUR TARGET -Seperti di tempat kerja ada KPI masing masing.. set target by yourself.
2)MANAGE YOUR STRATEGY
-Buy low sell high
-DCA
-Hit n Run
-Leverage
-Analysis and study
3)BELIEVE YOUR SELF -Jangan terlalu percaya pada news, rumors, prediction individu. Just believe yourself.

InsyaAllah anda akan berjaya kerana ASN bukan lah seperti FOREX, SAHAM SAHAM KORPORAT, MLM. Risk ASN boleh dikategorikan low and medium range..
Harga jatuh = kumpul unit
Harga mahal=jual unit
Harga tengah-tengah = kumpul dividen tahunan


PANDUAN ASAS MASA YANG SESUAI UTK BELI UNIT ASN
JGN beli unit ASN jika melebihi 0.90
harus mula beli bila nav asn below 0.8300
Mesti start buying when nav asn below 0.8000
More buying when nav asn below 0.7500
Buy in bulk when nav asn below 0.7000
Pulun habis when nav asn below 0.6500
Menyesal tak sudah kalau tak beli asn when nav asn below 0.6000

PANDUAN ASAS MASA YANG SESUAI UTK JUAL UNIT ASN
Jual 95% pegangan unit bagi mengambil untung jika harga melebihi 1.00
Jual 70-95% pegangan unit jika harga melebihi 0.90 bergantung kepada target ROI masing2
Boleh jual 30-70% pegangan unit jika harga 0.85-0.90 atau ROI melebihi 8%
Simpan atau boleh jual 10-30% pegangan unit jika harga 0.80-0.85
Simpan unit bagi mengumpul dividen jika harga dibawah 0.80


KELEBIHAN DIVIDEN ASN BERBANDING ASB
CONTOH TAHUN 2010
ASN NAV 0.7409; Div 6sen/unit

If buy RM1,000 = 1,349.71 units
Dividen = 1,349.71 x 0.06 = RM80.98

ROI = 80.98/1000 = 8.09%
dan tunggu hingga NAV naik sikit 20 mata ker... % NAV ASN akan meningkat.
3 Jan 2011 NAV 0.8350
Div 6 sen ini dibayar dalam unit pada harga NAV 0.8350 = 96.99 units
Pastu pada 10/01/11 iaitu NAV 0.8580 tukar unit dividen itu..
96.99 x 0.8580 = RM83.21 (8.32%)

REKOD PRESTASI TABUNG ASN Tahun Berakhir 31 Disember
Kadar Pengagihan Pendapatan Seunit (sen)
2008 5.50
2009 5.20
2010 6.00
2011 6.05
Jumlah Pulangan Tahunan (%)
2008 (34.04)
2009 43.41
2010 18.73
2011 5.33

NAB Seunit Tertinggi / Terendah (RM)
2008 0.9857 / 0.5619
2009 0.7715 / 0.5389
2010 0.8977 / 0.7409
2011 0.8841 / 0.7703

Statistik Trend NAB ASN berbanding mata KLCI
Tarikh Nav ASN KLCI
29 Sep 2011 0.7901 1387.46
25 Aug 2011 0.8412 1464.74
28 Jul 2011 0.8751 1551.91
31 May 2011 0.8589 1558.29
31 Mar 2011 0.8472 1545.13
27 Jan 2011 0.8434 1526.96
29 Dec 2010 0.8963 1524.34
28 Oct 2010 0.8686 1499.44
30 Sep 2010 0.8526 1463.50
26 Aug 2010 0.8240 1408.00
28 Jan 2010 0.8538 1264.51
29 Apr 2009 0.5769 967.46
31 Mar 2009 0.5512 872.55
29 Jan 2009 0.5893 883.16
30 Dec 2008 0.6312 881.63
30 Oct 2008 0.6096 853.56
29 Sep 2008 0.7493 1019.72
28 Aug 2008 0.8043 1070.46
27 Dec 2007 0.9352 1437.82


PENGENALAN MENGENAI AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)

Malaysia Toward an Islamic State

AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)

1. INTRODUCTION


The unit trust scheme known as Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) is a scheme for mobilising Malay savings for equity investment. It was launched in 1981 as a major vehicle for implementing the transfer of corporate assets held under trusteeship to the Bumiputera. Unlike BIMB and TH, ASN is aimed mainly at improving the economic conditions of the Bumiputera, especially the Malays and therefore, the ethnic aspects overshadow the religious ones. Nevertheless, as the relationship between Islam and Malayness are so intertwined, ASN has also been associated with the Islamisation package.

As discussed in the previous chapters, the government adopted the NEP to restructure society so that the economically backward Malays would be able to own at least 30 per cent equity in the corporate sector. Previous experience shows that the Malays were more interested in capital appreciation than in equity ownership. In other words, the shares allocated to the Malays were sold when the price went up, thus defeating the objective of the NEP. Research also indicated that when Malay shareholders sold their shares, the proceeds were used for consumption and not for investment purposes.

In order to find a more effective way of achieving the aims and aspirations of the NEP, the Government established a Working Committee in 1977 under the chairmanship of Tun Ismail Mohamed Ali. The committee drew up policies for the establishment of a Bumiputera Investment Fund. Among these were:

a) The information of a fund as a business entity with the authority to invest in all forms of investment and the authority to obtain loans;

b) The establishment of a unit trust fund to distribute these investment to the Bumiputera community

As a result, the Bumiputera Investment Foundation (BIF), or Yayasan Pelaburan Bumiputera (YPB) was set up on 9 January 1978 under the Companies Act, 1965, as a company limited by guarantee. The YPB provides funds for the purpose of subscribing to shares in companies which wish to issue their shares to the Bumiputera community in compliance with the NEP. It also formulates policies and guidelines for Bumiputera equity investment participation. It has acted as a catalyst in encouraging the savings habit, developing entrepreneurship and investment skills among the Bumiputera community.

To further the YPB's objectives, in March 1978, the National Equity Corporation (NEC) or Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB) was incorporated as a wholly owned subsidiary of the foundation. PNB is a commercial organisation, managed by professionals who are responsible for selecting and operating the portfolio of shares of limited companies in Malaysia to be held in trust for subsequent sale to individual Bumiputera investors. In May 1979, National Unit Trust Limited also known as Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad (ASNB) was then incorporated as a wholly owned subsidiary of PNB to establish and manage a National Unit Trust (NUT) or Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) scheme as an intermediary for the channeling of shares to the Bumiputera community .

To launch ASN, the Government instructed the Bumiputera companies (eg. PERNAS) and statutory bodies (eg.SEDCS) to sell part of their equity portfolios to the PNB at book value. Thus, it was reported that PERNAS had to suffer a substantial loss for the year 1982 because it had been forced to transfer more than RM 1 billion of assets to PNB. This government-imposed sale of assets resulted in serious opposition from PERNAS and other affected Bumiputera Companies.

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 05:58 PM

(sambungan)
 
AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)

2. ASN SCHEME: SOME SALIENT FEATURES
The main features of the scheme have been carefully devised to encourage the widest possible individual participation based on PNB's preparatory research to ascertain the socio-economic profile of the typical Bumiputera unit holder. At the same time, incentives are provided in the scheme, as a form of savings and investment. Therefore, the scheme does not have exactly the same features as other ordinary shares. In ordinary shares, the buying and selling prices of each unit are quoted on a daily or weekly basis. The unit-holder, as a risk-taker, can expect to make capital gains in addition to a certain level of investment yield as dividend. It is the prospect of capital gains rather than investment which is the typical motivation behind participation of in such shares. Unlike ASN, until 1991, the scheme holder could only resell their units to ASNB at the original par value of RM . This condition was designed to build a strong Bumiputera equity ownership.

The ASN scheme is based on a clear separation of equity ownership from corporate control. Ownership is controlled by its unit holders, but they do not have the right to appoint or change the managers. Immediate control, as distinct from ultimate control, including decisions regarding the investment portfolio, rest with a management team appointed by PNB and the YPB. By way of compensation for this separation of ownership and control, unit- holders were guaranteed a minimum annual dividend of 10 percent until 1990. In addition, the first RM 400 of investment income is tax-exempt resulting in earlier yield of up to 15 percent.

3. PROGRESS AND DEVELOPMENT
The year 1990 marked the passing of an important phase in the operation of PNB. During the past decade, the operations of PNB have been expanded and its original objectives have been achieved. PNB started the decade as an investment organisation and by 1990, it had grown to become an important institution for the mobilisation of Bumiputera savings.

In December 1990, ASN had a total of 2,460,977 unit holders as compared with only 841,200 on 31 December 1981, the year which ASN was launched (PNB Annual Reports 1981 and 1990). Net investment of ASN unit holders rose from RM 299.1 million as of 31 December 1981, to RM 8, 511.4 million as of 31 December 1990. Through prudent investment of the portfolio of ASN, the unit holders been rewarded with satisfactory returns. During the decade, the return on investment ranged from 13 percent to 20 percent a year comprising dividends and bonus units provided by the PNB. The total dividends and bonuses paid out to unit holders rose from RM 75.4 million in 1981 to a cumulative amount of RM 4,135 on 31 December 1990 (PNB annual report 1990).

In December 1990, the PNB appointed an independent actuary to survey the investment return of pooled funds and savings institutions in Malaysia over the previous 10 years. The results of the survey showed that ASN provided the highest annualised rate of return on investment. As an example, an annual investment of RM 1,000 a year in ASN from 1981 would have accumulated to RM 31,762.67 on January 1991.

In view of the growth of PNB during the last decade up to 1990, it undertook a strategic review of its operations. As a result, various programmes were implemented which would provide the necessary preparations to position PNB and to enhance its expected role in the decade of the nineties.

A major work program was to enable transactions in ASN to be conducted at variable unit prices from 2 January 1991 as specified by its Deed of Trust. Another project was the launching of a new scheme called Bumiputera Trust Scheme (Amanah Saham Bumiputera or ASB) on 2 January 1991 with a fixed transaction price. This was to enable Bumiputera unit holders to continue investing in a scheme with a similar features to that of ASN before the latter commenced operations based on market prices on 2 January 1991.

In 1991, PNB faced a new challenge, that of managing two unit trusts with different characteristics. The challenge included transforming ASN, the original scheme, into a conventional unit trust scheme while at the same time promoting ASB, a new scheme with guaranteed buying and selling prices similar to the old pre-1990 ASN.

On 2 January 1991, ASN began transactions at variable unit prices. ASN's pricing is subject to the market performance of the shares of companies quoted on the KLSE. The new pricing system thus requires unit holders to follow the movements of share prices on the KLSE and the various factors affecting them. The new pricing was well received by unit holders as reflected by the overall performance of ASN in 1991. As of 31 December 1991, the total number of unit holders in ASN was 1,310,499 with a total investment of 1,666.82 million units (PNB Annual Report 1991: 11) ASN unit holders have also begun to adapt themselves as investors to the new pricing arrangement and have been able to take advantage of the capital appreciation of ASN units as indicated by the large number of units sold, when they considered the prices to be attractive.

To ensure separate management of ASN's investments, a new company, Pengurusan Pelaburan ASN Berhad (ASN Management Investment Limited) was incorporated on 20 June 1991. This separate structure enables the investment managers of ASN and ASB to concentrate entirely on their respective portfolios.

PNB's main investments is in four main sectors, industry, plantation, mining, property and finance (PNB Annual Reports). Its sources of investment can be divided into four:

a) Purchases from stock-market and institutions;
b) Allocation of shares through companies;
c) Restructuring from the Ministry of Trade and Industry;
d) Transfer Scheme from government to Bumiputera

4. ASN: CONNECTION WITH ISLAMISATION

As stated in the previous chapter, Dr. Mahathir seems to show much concern in promoting Malay capitalism and development. He is seen as a champion of Malay rights and has tried very hard to convince the Malays that their economic condition can be uplifted if they possess the right attitude and get proper opportunities. Compared with other PMs, it could be stated Dr. Mahathir has a strong interest in Islam and has always associated Islam with Malay economic development. Islam has been seen as the basis for change and modernity. Therefore, ASN (along with BIMB and TH) is a tool to develop Malay Muslims especially in fulfilling the aspiration of the NEP, i.e. 30 percent Malay equity ownership of the corporate sector.

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 06:14 PM

Salam saudara2 CG,

harap kita dapat berkongsi ilmu bagaimana kaedah terbaik untuk mengaplikasikan instrument ASN ini bagi menjana pulangan jgka panjang.

Semoga maklumat berikut dapat membantu penilaian tuan2 terhadap prestasi ASN sepanjang tahun bermula dari tahun 2005.

Berikut ialah prestasi ASN sepanjang tahun bermula dari tahun 2005 hingga kini yang telah dikemaskini

TARIKH NILAI NAB(RM)
07/11/2002 0.6022
16/01/2005 0.7073
01/01/2006 0.6174
01/01/2007 0.7793
01/01/2008 0.9352 (nilai tinggi)
05/09/2008 0.8043 (trend mula menurun)
11/09/2008 0.7565
18/09/2008 0.7493
14/10/2008 0.7166
15/10/2008 0.6917
20/10/2008 0.6834 (bagus beli)
29/10/2008 0.6096 (sangat bagus beli)
05/11/2008 0.6758 (bagus beli)
10/12/2008 0.6312 (bagus beli)
01/01/2009 0.5619 (mesti beli)
07/01/2009 0.6142 (sangat bagus beli)
13/01/2009 0.6153 (sangat bagus beli)
22/01/2009 0.5893 (mesti beli)
31/03/2009 0.5512 (mesti pileh)
01/04/2009 0.5769 (mesti beli)
01/01/2010 0.7538 (harga jatuh selepas pemberian div 2009)
25/08/2010 0.8240 (harga telah meningkat tapi masih menarik untuk dibeli)
28/09/2010 0.8526 (harga telah meningkat tapi masih menarik untuk dibeli)
01/10/2010 0.8538
04/10/2010 0.8555 (harga terus meningkat)
08/10/2010 0.8607
11/10/2010 0.8610 (harga semakin meningkat)
13/10/2010 0.8633
21/10/2010 0.8637 (kerugian pd sesiapa yg tak beli ASN pada tahun 2009 dulu)
27/10/2010 0.8686
01/11/2010 0.8690
10/11/2010 0.8782
17/12/2010 0.8887
22/12/2010 0.8959
24/12/2010 0.8963 (ASN ditutup paling tinggi pernah dicapai sejak pertengahan 2008 hgga 2010)
03/01/2011 0.8350 (ASN dibuka rendah Tahun 2011- peluang untuk pembelian baru)
04/01/2011 0.8405 (nilai ASN naik mendadak 55 pips dlm tempoh 24jam)
06/01/2011 0.8553 (naik 203 pips dlm tempoh masa 3 hari)
14/01/2011 0.8575
31/01/2011 0.8434
18/02/2011 0.8427 (harga jatuh sedikit selari dengan nilai KLCI yang jatuh)
09/03/2011 0.8464
28/03/2011 0.8472 (uptrend semula)
08/04/2011 0.8633
18/04/2011 0.8489
20/04/2011 0.8479 (harga turun)
03/05/2011 0.8499
27/05/2011 0.8589 (trend menaik semula)
06/06/2011 0.8675
14/06/2011 0.8665
16/06/2011 0.8720
10/07/2011 0.8840 (nav naik 490 pips dari NAV dibuka 2011)
25/07/2011 0.8870 (nav naik 520 pips dari NAV dibuka 2011. Tertinggi pernah dicapai pada 2011, rugi tak jual)
27/07/2011 0.8751
05/08/2011 0.8722
08/08/2011 0.8631 (turning point nav asn merosot selari dengan kejatuhan KLCI akibat krisis di US
10/08/2011 0.8394 (nav asn terus merosot)
12/08/2011 0.8433
16/08/2011 0.8502
24/08/2011 0.8412
06/09/2011 0.8348
23/09/2011 0.7953 (peluang pembelian oleh pelabur2)
27/09/2011 0.7703 (nav terendah sepnjang tahun 2011)
28/09/2011 0.7853
29/09/2011 0.7901 (nav telah meningkat semula)
30/09/2011 0.7981
07/10/2011 0.8022
12/10/2011 0.8153
28/10/2011 0.8407
01/11/2011 0.8462
30/11/2011 0.8276
05/12/2011 0.8445
12/12/2011 0.8339
19/12/2011 0.8520
23/12/2011 0.8624 (nav semakin meningkat pd tarikh urusniaga 2011 digantung)
03/01/2012 0.8190 asn dibuka rendah pd 2012 slps pmbhgian div 6.05sen seunit.
27/01/2012 0.8211
09/02/2012 0.8359
06/03/2012 0.8485
16/04/2012 0.8540
03/05/2012 0.8508
14/06/2012 0.8560
20/07/2012 0.8843
17/08/2012 0.8862
20/09/2012 0.8892
05/10/2012 0.8957
10/10/2012 0.8976
19/10/2012 0.8981
29/10/2012 0.8996 (NAV tertinggi sepanjang tahun 2012)

silvermaddness 26-09-2010 06:20 PM

bookmark siap2 thread nie..hehe

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 06:30 PM

Harga (RM) Terkini Amanah Saham (Tarikh 25 SEPT 2010, Jumaat)

Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) 0.8475
Amanah Saham Nasional 2 (ASN2) 1.1125
Amanah Saham Nasional 3 (ASN3) 1.1121
Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Wawasan (ASW2020) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Didik (ASD) 1.0000

Amanah Saham Pendidikan 1.0247
Amanah Saham Kesihatan 1.0681
Amanah Saham Persaraan 1.0662
Amanah Saham 1Malaysia Susp


PRESTASI BASE LANDING RATE (BLR) DARI TAHUN 1989-2013

2013 6.60
2012 6.60
2011 6.60 Adjusted May 2011
2010 6.30
2010 6.05
2010 5.80
2009 5.55
2008 6.75
2007 6.75
2006 6.00
2005 6.00
2004 6.00
2003 6.50
2002 6.50
2001 6.75
2000 6.75
1999 8.00
1998 10.50
1997 9.25
1996 8.50
1995 6.60
1994 8.25
1993 9.50
1992 9.00
1991 7.50
1990 7.00
1989 7.00

silvermaddness 26-09-2010 06:53 PM

camne nk bukak akaun asn nie? mcm bukak asb jugak ke? minta sape2 tlg explain sat..

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 07:02 PM

ASN telah bermula pada tahun 1981 lagi & terbuka kpd semua bumiputera Malaysia untuk melbur. ASN merupakan Saham Amanah bersifat equity fund yang pada asalnya nilainya ditetapkn RM1.00 seunit sama seperti ASB & ASW2020 pada masa ini. Walaubagaimanapun pada tahun 1991 saham ASN telah diapungkan mengikut harga pasaran semasa dengan saiz dana sbyk 2.5 bilion unit telah ditawarkn.

Dibawah ini merupakan rekod pembayaran dividen ASN sepanjang tempoh 10 tahun yng lepas oleh PNB dari tahun 1999-2009. Satu kelebihan penting yang wujud pada diri ASN ialah ia merupakan saham amanah yg mempunyai pertumbuhan moda (capital growth), tidak spt ASB, AS1M atau ASW yang bernilai tetap.

TAHUN DIVIDEN(sen seunit)
1999 - 8.25
2000 - 8.0
2001 - 5.0
2002 - 5.0
2003 - 5.3
2004 - 5.6
2005 - 5.5
2006 - 5.5
2007 - 6.25
2008 - 5.5
2009 - 5.2
2010 - 6.0
2011 - 6.05
2012 - 6.30


so, average div ASN dari tahun 1999-2012 ialah 6.0 SEN SEUNIT

sangat menarik bukan? selain unit ASN ini ada capital growth.

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 07:23 PM

tentu tuan2 terkejut melihat prestasi ASN ketika nilainya ditambat pada RM1 seunit spt ASB & ASW sekarang. nilai unit ASN diapungkan ke pasaran terbuka pada tahun 1991.

So lihat prestasi awal ASN dalam pembahagian dividen ASN dari tahun ia dilancarkn pada 1981 hingga 1990 sebelum diapungkan pada 1991.

TAHUN DIVIDEN + BONUS(%)
1981 - 10 + 10 = 20
1982 - 10 + 8 = 18
1983 - 10 + 8 = 18
1984 - 10.2 + 7 = 17.2
1985 - 10.2 + 7 = 17.2
1986 - 10 + 4 = 14
1987 - 9 + 4 = 13
1988 - 9.25 + 4 = 13.25
1989 - 9.5 + 5 = 14.5
1990 - 9.5 + 3 = 12.5
1991 - 6.25
1992 - 8.25
1993 - 12.5
1994 - 14.0
1995 - 13.0
1996 - 13.75
1997 - 10.5
1998 - 6.5

dalam tahun 1981-1990 Pembayaran div ASN termasuk bonus kerana nilai ASN tetap RM1, sama spt ASB sekarang membayar div bersama bonus setiap tahun.
Kalau lah pada tahun 1981-1984 tu bapak kita ada banyak duit cash atau ada OD fasilities ketika tu.. atau guna teknik OPM.. kaya kaya :)

katani17 26-09-2010 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7426545)
Harga (RM) Terkini Amanah Saham (Tarikh 25 SEPT 2010, Jumaat)

Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) 0.8475
Amanah Saham Nasional 2 (ASN2) 1.1125
Amanah Saham Nasional 3 (ASN3) 1.1121
Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Wawasan (ASW2020) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) 1.0000
Amanah Saham Didik (ASD) 1.0000

Amanah Saham Pendidikan 1.0247
Amanah Saham Kesihatan 1.0681
Amanah Saham Persaraan 1.0662
Amanah Saham 1Malaysia Susp


ASN paling tinggi penah cecah bp hinggit bro?

mr_kenji 26-09-2010 11:36 PM

Asn & asb mane ok?

katani17 26-09-2010 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_kenji (Post 7427978)
Asn & asb mane ok?

dua2 ada benefit. Kurang ilmu amik je ASB kerana nilai tetap RM1 bagu 1 unit

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7427937)
ASN paling tinggi penah cecah bp hinggit bro?

Tak pasti tapi nak tahu dgn tepat kena search cari bulan/tahun berapa nilai asn plg tggi.. Pembahagian div oleh PNB adalah keatas nilai akhir jumlah unit dipegang, bukan nilai RM. so, pemegang saham akan dpt lebih byk unit.

cth: Jika harga semasa asn ialah 70 sen seunit & baki akhir simpanan pemegang pd 27 Dec (sblm jualbeli dgantung) ialah 200,000 unit (bersamaan nilai RM140,000). Dan cth PNB declair div 6.0 sen seunit untuk tahun tersebut:

div yg diperolehi ialah 0.06 x 200,000 unit = RM12,000

Kemudian, div tersebut (RM12,000) akan dikreditkan ke dalam akaun secara automatik dengan nilai asn pada 1 Jan tahun berikutnya.

Baki unit baru = (RM12,000 x 0.6550) + 200,000 = 218,320

kelebihan ASN ialah kita mengumpul unit (unit compounded) dan setiap unit mempunyai capital growth. Manafaat akhirnya ialah kita akan menjual unit tersebut jika nilainya meningkat.

***Note: nav ASN akn jatuh dari 0.7000 kepada 0.6550 selepas pembayaran dividen tahunan oleh PNB.

gelygeleman 26-09-2010 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_kenji (Post 7427978)
Asn & asb mane ok?

asn untuk pelabur2 moderate kerana portfolio asn melabur d dlm sektor equity bagi mencapai keuntungan bagi capital growth selain PNB membayar div yang berpatutan.

asb tiada capital growth tatapi PNB mmbayar kadar div lebih tinggi beserta bonus setiap tahun.

mr_kenji 27-09-2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7428024)
dua2 ada benefit. Kurang ilmu amik je ASB kerana nilai tetap RM1 bagu 1 unit

Kurang ilmu kene tambah ni...

katani17 27-09-2010 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_kenji (Post 7428157)
Kurang ilmu kene tambah ni...


Banyak ilmu kat CG nie

katani17 27-09-2010 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7428075)
yg pasti melebihi RM1.00, seingat sy pnh mencapai lebih RM1.30
tapi nak tahu dgn tepat kena search cari bulan/tahun berapa nilai asn plg tggi.. skrg sy tgh berusaha kumpul unit. Pembahagian div oleh PNB adalah keats nilai akhir jumlah unit dipegang, bukan nilai RM. so, pemegang saham akan dpt lebih byk unit.

cth: Jika harga semasa 1 unit asn ialah 70sen & baki akhir simpanan pemegang pd 15 Dec (sblm jualbeli dgantung) ialah 200,000 unit (bersamaan nilai RM140,000). Dan cth PNB declair div 5% untuk tahun tersebut:

div yg dperolehi ialah 5% x 200,000 unit = 10,000 unit

berbanding jika 5% keats jum simpanan (RM) ialah
5% x RM140,000 = RM7,000

kelebihan ASN ialah kita mengumpul unit dan setip unit mempunyai capital growth. Manafaat akhirnya ialah kita akan menjual unit tersebut jika nilainya meningkat.


Mmg akan ada capital growth. Bagi yang kurang ilmu ASN nie berisiko utk turun harga n kalo x silap bila jual kena caj kan bro?

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7428175)
Mmg akan ada capital growth. Bagi yang kurang ilmu ASN nie berisiko utk turun harga n kalo x silap bila jual kena caj kan bro?

bagi melanggan unit ASN, pelabur cuma akan dkenakan caj 5% dari jumlah unit yang hendak dlanggan ketika pembelian d buat. tiada caj dkenakan ketika jualan balik.

akuandey 27-09-2010 01:32 AM

bro, kat mana nak cari pergerakan harga daily ASN, dah letih godek google, tapi tak jumpa gak... harap saper2 yang tau kat mana leh share yer

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 01:34 AM

Untuk pengetahuan, sebelum ini Maybank Finance ada menawarkn loan untuk membeli saham ASN. W/bagaimanapun skim tersebut dtamatkan sekitar tahun 2005-2006. di sbbkn pd masa ini tiada bank komersial yg menawarkn skim pinjaman asn, so apa yg sy buat ialah mmbeli unit asn secara runcit (kecil-kecilan) secara berperingkat. Kaedah pemurataan. tapi sy beli cuma ketika nilai unit tersebut rendah.

Pada hujung 2007 hingga awal tahun 2009, keadaan ekonomi merosot & nilai indx dunia termasuk IC jatuh dbwh 1000 mata. Time tu byk nilai saham2 jatuh begitu juga nilai unit asn ini. unit asn merudum kali kedua selepas kali pertama dlm krisis ekonomi 1997/98. asn jatuh hingga ke paras mghampiri ke 50sen seunit. Untuk rekod, nilai asn pernah berada diparas harga menghampiri 1.0000 seunit sblm krisis kewangan.

secara prinsipnya, kita perlu ambil kesempatan dgn membeli saham2 baru tanpa menjual saham sediaada dlm keadaan pasaran saham yang jatuh. maksud sy pembelian saham2 amanah yg bharga rendah, bukan saham2 d kaunter bursa tu. Kita tahu jualbeli asb bersifat tetap dgn nilai jualbeli RM1.00 tanpa mengikut nilai pasaran semasa.

sy beli unit asn secara runcit berperingkat setiap bulan sehinggalah sy berhenti membelinya pd pertengahan thun lps sbb harga seunit asn dh mula meningkat melebihi 75sen. syukur sy dpt membeli kira2 80k unit asn sepanjang tempoh ekonomi tak baik (2007-2009)dgn purata harga 65sen/unit (melibatkan kos keseluruhan lebihkurang RM52k) menggunakan duit simpanan asb & gaji bulanan.

Pada hari ini nilai asn dh meningkat kpd 85sen/unit. Jika jualan balik dilakukan keatas semua 80k unit d atas, maka keuntungan adalah lebihkrg RM16k (85-65sen x 80,000unit). keuntungan 16k dlm tempoh kurang 2 tahun, ini belum lagi termasuk 2 kali div tahunan average 5 sen seunit. Untungkan. Prinsipnya beli waktu murah jual waktu mahal. jika nilai saham asn jatuh, tak perlu jual sbb PNB jamin tetap byr div average 5.2 sen seunit (rekod terendah).

ibnuqadir 27-09-2010 01:57 AM

ASn ni lulus shariah bank negara ke??

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 02:00 AM

PERBANDINGAN DIV ASN & ASB
(sudah tentu ASB terbaik tapi ASN apa kurangnya)
ASB
tahun div bonus
1991 8.50 4.00
1992 7.50 5.00
1993 9.00 4.50
1994 9.50 4.50
1995 10.00 3.00
1996 10.25 3.00
1997 10.25 1.25
1998 8.00 2.50
1999 10.50 1.50
2000 9.75 2.00
2001 7.00 3.00
2002 7.00 2.00
2003 7.25 2.00
2004 7.25 2.00
2005 7.25 1.75
2006 7.30 1.25
2007 8.00 1.00
2008 7.00 1.75
2009 7.30 1.25

ASN
1991 - 6.25
1992 - 8.25
1993 - 12.5
1994 - 14.0
1995 - 13.0
1996 - 13.75
1997 - 10.5
1998 - 6.5
1999 - 8.25
2000 - 8.0
2001 - 5.0
2002 - 5.0
2003 - 5.3
2004 - 5.6
2005 - 5.5
2006 - 5.5
2007 - 6.25
2008 - 5.5
2009 - 5.2

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibnuqadir (Post 7428703)
ASn ni lulus shariah bank negara ke??

sila semak dlm website bank negara

cdan 27-09-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7428597)
Untuk pengetahuan, sebelum ini Maybank Finance ada menawarkn loan untuk membeli saham ASN. W/bagaimanapun skim tersebut dtamatkan sekitar tahun 2005-2006. di sbbkn pd masa ini tiada bank komersial yg menawarkn skim pinjaman asn, so apa yg sy buat ialah mmbeli unit asn secara runcit (kecil-kecilan) secara berperingkat. Kaedah pemurataan. tapi sy beli cuma ketika nilai unit tersebut rendah.

Pada hujung 2007 hingga awal tahun 2009, keadaan ekonomi merosot & nilai indx dunia termasuk IC jatuh dbwh 1000 mata. Time tu byk nilai saham2 jatuh begitu juga nilai unit asn ini. unit asn merudum kali kedua selepas kali pertama dlm krisis ekonomi 1997/98. asn jatuh hingga ke paras mghampiri ke 50sen seunit. Untuk rekod, nilai asn pernah berada stabil diparas harga sekitar RM1.30 seunit sblm krisis kewangan.

secara prinsipnya, kita perlu ambil kesempatan dgn membeli saham2 baru tanpa menjual saham sediaada dlm keadaan pasaran saham yang jatuh. maksud sy pembelian saham2 amanah yg bharga rendah, bukan saham2 d kaunter bursa tu. Kita tahu jualbeli asb bersifat tetap dgn nilai jualbeli RM1.00 tanpa mengikut nilai pasaran semasa.

sy beli unit asn secara runcit berperingkat setiap bulan sehinggalah sy berhenti membelinya pd pertengahan thun lps sbb harga seunit asn dh mula meningkat melebihi 70sen. syukur sy dpt membeli kira2 80k unit asn sepanjang tempoh ekonomi tak baik (2007-2009)dgn purata harga 65sen/unit (melibatkan kos keseluruhan lebihkurang RM52k) menggunakan duit simpanan asb & gaji bulanan.

Pada hari ini nilai asn dh meningkat kpd 85sen/unit. Jika jualan balik dilakukan keatas semua 80k unit d atas, maka keuntungan adalah lebihkrg RM16k (85-65sen x 80,000unit). keuntungan 16k dlm tempoh kurang 2 tahun, belum termasuk 2 kali div average 5.5% setahun. Untungkan. Prinsipnya beli waktu murah jual waktu mahal. jika nilai saham asn jatuh, tak perlu jual sbb PNB jamin tetap byr div at least 5.2% setahun (rekod terendah).

gabungan diantara unit ASN & ASB.... menarik.... :))

katani17 27-09-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cdan (Post 7431165)
gabungan diantara unit ASN & ASB.... menarik.... :))

Boleh lar bro combine ASB+ Emas + ASN

cdan 27-09-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7432432)
Boleh lar bro combine ASB+ Emas + ASN

sesuatu yg menarik utk difikirkan...
ASN - keuntungan modal, beli ketika klci merudum
EMAS - keuntungan modal, beli ketika carta emas rendah
ASB - keuntungan dividen, beli bila2 masa sahaja

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by akuandey (Post 7428586)
bro, kat mana nak cari pergerakan harga daily ASN, dah letih godek google, tapi tak jumpa gak... harap saper2 yang tau kat mana leh share yer

boleh log in dlm www.asnb.com.my

dapatkn harga pasaran semasa semua amanah saham pnb disitu termasuk nilai harga harian asn :)

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 08:51 PM

ASN - keuntungan modal, beli ketika klci merudum, simpanan slmat dlm buku/sijil, jualbeli cpt
EMAS - keuntungan modal, beli ketika carta emas rendah, rsiko mnyimpn & kos simpnan d safebx,
ASB - keuntungan dividen, beli bila2 masa sahaja

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 08:59 PM

HARGA SAHAM ASNB HARI INI 27 SEPTEMBER 2010

PRODUK NAB
ASN - 0.8475
ASN2 - 1.1125
ASN3 - 1.1121
ASG-Pendidikan 1.0247
ASG-Kesihatan 1.0681
ASG-Persaraan 1.0662
ASB - 1.0000
ASW2020- 1.0000
ASM - 1.0000
ASD - 1.0000
AS1M - Suspended

gelygeleman 27-09-2010 09:09 PM

MAKLUMAT TABUNG ASN untuk informasi tuan2 :

Nama Tabung: SEKIM AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)
Jenis: Pertumbuhan
Kategori: Ekuiti
Tarikh Pelancaran: 20 April 1981
Objektif: Bagi menjana pulangan yang berpatutan dalam bentuk pengagihan pendapatan dan pertumbuhan modal kepada pemegang-pemegang unit melalui pelaburan dalam kepelbagaian portfolio.

Pelabur Sasaran: Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan dan mencari peningkatan modal bagi jangka masa sederhana ke panjang
Kelayakan Warganegara Malaysia Bumiputera 18 tahun ke atas
Pengurus Pelaburan Permodalan Nasional Berhad

MAKLUMAT URUSNIAGA ASN

Harga: Seunit Harga Jualan dan belian adalah pada NAB seunit. Pemegang unit akan dikenakan caj jualan pada kadar 5% seunit.
Bentuk Pelaburan: Buku Pelaburan / Sijil
Pelaburan Maksimum Tiada had, tertakluk kepada peruntukan saiz tabung.
Saiz Tabung 2.5 bilion unit.
Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada
Pembayaran Jualan Balik Serta merta
Tempoh Bertenang Tiada

katani17 27-09-2010 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7435013)
MAKLUMAT TABUNG ASN untuk informasi tuan2 :

Nama Tabung: SEKIM AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL (ASN)
Jenis: Pertumbuhan
Kategori: Ekuiti
Tarikh Pelancaran: 20 April 1981
Objektif: Bagi menjana pulangan yang berpatutan dalam bentuk pengagihan pendapatan dan pertumbuhan modal kepada pemegang-pemegang unit melalui pelaburan dalam kepelbagaian portfolio.

Pelabur Sasaran: Pelabur yang memahami risiko dan pulangan pelaburan dan mencari peningkatan modal bagi jangka masa sederhana ke panjang
Kelayakan Warganegara Malaysia Bumiputera 18 tahun ke atas
Pengurus Pelaburan Permodalan Nasional Berhad

MAKLUMAT URUSNIAGA ASN

Harga: Seunit Harga Jualan dan belian adalah pada NAB seunit. Pemegang unit akan dikenakan caj jualan pada kadar 5% seunit.
Bentuk Pelaburan: Buku Pelaburan / Sijil
Pelaburan Maksimum Tiada had, tertakluk kepada peruntukan saiz tabung.
Saiz Tabung 2.5 bilion unit.
Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada
Pembayaran Jualan Balik Serta merta
Tempoh Bertenang Tiada

Dulu bro ckp masa beli yang kena caj

katani17 27-09-2010 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdan (Post 7432523)
sesuatu yg menarik utk difikirkan...
ASN - keuntungan modal, beli ketika klci merudum
EMAS - keuntungan modal, beli ketika carta emas rendah
ASB - keuntungan dividen, beli bila2 masa sahaja

Kena pikir teknik OPM apa yang boleh diaplikasikan utk nie

katani17 27-09-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7428075)
yg pasti melebihi RM1.00, seingat sy pnh mencapai lebih RM1.30
tapi nak tahu dgn tepat kena search cari bulan/tahun berapa nilai asn plg tggi.. skrg sy tgh berusaha kumpul unit. Pembahagian div oleh PNB adalah keats nilai akhir jumlah unit dipegang, bukan nilai RM. so, pemegang saham akan dpt lebih byk unit.

cth: Jika harga semasa 1 unit asn ialah 70sen & baki akhir simpanan pemegang pd 15 Dec (sblm jualbeli dgantung) ialah 200,000 unit (bersamaan nilai RM140,000). Dan cth PNB declair div 5% untuk tahun tersebut:

div yg dperolehi ialah 5% x 200,000 unit = 10,000 unit

berbanding jika 5% keats jum simpanan (RM) ialah
5% x RM140,000 = RM7,000

kelebihan ASN ialah kita mengumpul unit dan setip unit mempunyai capital growth. Manafaat akhirnya ialah kita akan menjual unit tersebut jika nilainya meningkat.

1)Bro kewangan dia berakhir sama macam Asb ker 31 Disember setiap tahun?

2) Kalo saham lepas bagi n declare dividen harga dia akan turun. Adakah ASN mcm tue gak. Kalo sama boleh target beli lpas awla tahun kewangan

gelygeleman 28-09-2010 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7435781)
1)Bro kewangan dia berakhir sama macam Asb ker 31 Disember setiap tahun?

2) Kalo saham lepas bagi n declare dividen harga dia akan turun. Adakah ASN mcm tue gak. Kalo sama boleh target beli lpas awla tahun kewangan

1) benar. kew berakhir adalah pd 31/12/2010. urusniaga asn di gantung sekitar 15-20hb dec.

2) benar. selepas div diumumkn, saham asn akan jatuh sekitar 3-7% dari nilai akhir unit sblum urusniaga d gantung. ini adalah dsebabkn dana dgunakn untuk pmbahagian div kpd plabur2 untuk tahun sblmnya.

gelygeleman 28-09-2010 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7435310)
Dulu bro ckp masa beli yang kena caj

Harga: Seunit Harga Jualan dan belian adalah pada NAB seunit. Pemegang unit akan dikenakan caj jualan pada kadar 5% seunit.
Bentuk Pelaburan: Buku Pelaburan / Sijil
Pelaburan Maksimum Tiada had, tertakluk kepada peruntukan saiz tabung.
Saiz Tabung 2.5 bilion unit.
Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada

Pembayaran Jualan Balik Serta merta
Tempoh Bertenang Tiada

Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit bermaksud caj jualan sbyk 5% dari jumlah unit yg dikenakan oleh bank apabila kita membeli unit di kaunter.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada bermaksud tiada caj dikenakan bank apabila kita menjual balik unit kita di kaunter.

harap tuan dpt pencerahan. jika tidak, mohon tuan dpt bertanya lanjut di bank sbb sy bukan pkerja bank. sy kje gomen je :)

katani17 28-09-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7436932)
1) benar. kew berakhir adalah pd 31/12/2010. urusniaga asn di gantung sekitar 15-20hb dec.

2) benar. selepas div diumumkn, saham asn akan jatuh sekitar 3-7% dari nilai akhir unit sblum urusniaga d gantung. ini adalah dsebabkn dana dgunakn untuk pmbahagian div kpd plabur2 untuk tahun sblmnya.

Thanks for the info. Tapi compare dengan 2008 n 2009 harga tahun nie mmg dah naik

katani17 28-09-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7436976)
Harga: Seunit Harga Jualan dan belian adalah pada NAB seunit. Pemegang unit akan dikenakan caj jualan pada kadar 5% seunit.
Bentuk Pelaburan: Buku Pelaburan / Sijil
Pelaburan Maksimum Tiada had, tertakluk kepada peruntukan saiz tabung.
Saiz Tabung 2.5 bilion unit.
Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada

Pembayaran Jualan Balik Serta merta
Tempoh Bertenang Tiada

Caj Jualan 5% dari NAB seunit bermaksud caj jualan sbyk 5% dari jumlah unit yg dikenakan oleh bank apabila kita membeli unit di kaunter.
Caj Jualan Balik Tiada bermaksud tiada caj dikenakan bank apabila kita menjual balik unit kita di kaunter.

harap tuan dpt pencerahan. jika tidak, mohon tuan dpt bertanya lanjut di bank sbb sy bukan pkerja bank. sy kje gomen je :)

Bro kalo guna cost dolar averaging, bila jual kena caj 5% x rasa rugi ker kalo nak dpat untung

gelygeleman 28-09-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7438174)
Thanks for the info. Tapi compare dengan 2008 n 2009 harga tahun nie mmg dah naik

seperti yg sy katakn, kaedah plaburan asn ini ialah dgn cara:

i) membeli unit asn ketika harga per unitnya rendah
ii)memegang unit ketika harga stabil (keuntungan perolehan div)
iii) menjual unit ketika harga sangat tinggi (keuntungan per unit melebihi 25% dari harga belian atau 25sen yang mana terdahulu) bagi mendapatkan keuntungan modal (prinsiple)

gelygeleman 28-09-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7438183)
Bro kalo guna cost dolar averaging, bila jual kena caj 5% x rasa rugi ker kalo nak dpat untung

CDA tidak sesuai dgunakan ketika sekarang iaitu ketika harga seunit asn tinggi iaitu dlm RM0.84 seunit

buat pmbelian secara bulk (besar-besaran) atau gunakan kaedah CDA jika tak mampu membeli secara bulk ketika harga unit asn rendah. semua saham yg mmpunyai capital growth yg mlabur dlm portfolio equiti dkenekan 5% caj perkhidmatan.

katani17 28-09-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gelygeleman (Post 7441419)
CDA tidak sesuai dgunakan ketika sekarang iaitu ketika harga seunit asn tinggi iaitu dlm RM0.84 seunit

buat pmbelian secara bulk (besar-besaran) atau gunakan kaedah CDA jika tak mampu membeli secara bulk ketika harga unit asn rendah. semua saham yg mmpunyai capital growth yg mlabur dlm portfolio equiti dkenekan 5% caj perkhidmatan.

skang tgh tinggi. Rasanya sebelum declare dividen sempat ke naik 1.00 per saham?

gelygeleman 28-09-2010 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katani17 (Post 7442360)
skang tgh tinggi. Rasanya sebelum declare dividen sempat ke naik 1.00 per saham?

jawabnya TIDAK. pergerakan kadar turun naik saham asn bergerak perlahan memandangkan pelaburan yg dibuat adalah keatas sektor2 equity terpilih ygt selamat oleh PNB.

tapi sy ni bkn le penganalisis saham profesional. cuma penganalisis tepi jln jer yg menggunakan logik, data & rekod lepas.


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